{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"8624626","dateCreated":"1232976160","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Jaimbay337","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jaimbay337","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/Jaimbay337-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8624626"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Jkeil-Marx","description":""the worker does not necessarily gain when the capitalist gains but he necessarily loses with him."
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\nThis quote rocks. it captures the idea of the essay. It shows his belief in how society should work. He feels that the man should work for the government to make it better and take the fall with the government when it falters.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"8672502","body":"He does not feel that way, as far as i can see. And to say that this quote 'rocks' is informal and is not appropriate for this assignment.
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\nHe is in fact pointing out that flaw. And that does not relate to your quote. He is not talking about the government.","dateCreated":"1233090402","smartDate":"Jan 27, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"djconnell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/djconnell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1203007020\/djconnell-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"8703204","body":"your blog is inadequate and does not complete all necessary components of the assignment.","dateCreated":"1233169519","smartDate":"Jan 28, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"lebersole","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lebersole","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/lebersole-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"8615894","dateCreated":"1232926219","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"kelleyr","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kelleyr","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1226929929\/kelleyr-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8615894"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Marx","description":""The capitalist can live longer without the worker than the worker can without the capitalist."(181)
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\nAlthough this simplistic quote is merely the third sentence of this reading, I find it to very easily sum up Marx's main point. The quite exhibits Marx's opinion of the fairness, or in this case lack there of, in the system. It very clearly states what Marx tries to prove throughout the entire writing; that the system is targeted towards benefiting the capitalist rather than the worker. A very similar situation seems to be during the time period in Europe in which nobles were permitted to have serfs. The nobles charged the serfs, often instead of money agriculture, for living on their land, however, if the serfs were to disappear, the noble could still live very easily for a while by using much of their wealth. On the other hand, if the serfs did not have a noble then they had no place to live, no land to farm, and consequently, no food to eat.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8522788","dateCreated":"1232589904","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"cpham11","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpham11","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8522788"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Alienated Labour","description":"In Karl Marx's Alienated Labour, he states that \u201cThe alienation of the worker in his object is expressed as follows in the laws of political economy: the more the worker produces the less he has to consume; the more value he creates the more worthless he becomes; the more refined his product the more crude and misshapen the worker; the more civilized the product the more barbarous the worker; the more powerful the work the more feeble the worker; the more the work manifests intelligence the more the worker declines in intelligence and becomes a slave of nature (189).\u201d
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\nMarx expresses how capitalism causes the worker to hinder in the relationship between him and "the products of his labours." The more time the worker's life is spent on the work, the more misfortune the worker will receive and less time to benefit for himself. The capitalist who is most powerful will benefit the most, when the worker who is least powerful is less fortunate and will not benefit as much as the capitalist. Even when the worker is the one who produces, the capitalist is the one who benefits more, showing the inequality between the two. Alienated Labour expresses the apathy in capitalism, therefore the fairness of capitalism is unbalanced. Marx's essay exudes his disdain for such unbalanced exchange of work and benefit.
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\nThrough the time of Absolution in western countries, absolute monarchies have had complete control over the lands and the people who inhabited them. Their subjects would heed to every whim, but their acknowledgment of their people's welfare is nonexistent. Louis XIV has spent most of the country's money on luxuries, such as parties and glorious buildings for these parties, rather than acknowledging the people's poor welfare and bettering the country's unstable economy. The uneven exchange of a subject's loyalty and an a king's obliviousness to a country's instability is parallel to a Marx's explanation of unequal exchange between the worker and the capitalist. Also, the apathy to a subject's loyalty is parallel to a worker's.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8513584","dateCreated":"1232575738","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"amandag13","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/amandag13","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223138617\/amandag13-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8513584"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Marx on Labour","description":""The culmination of this enslavement is that he can only maintain himself as a physical subject so far as he is a worker, and that it is only as a physical subject that he is a worker" (Marx 189). This basically means that men cannot live without working.
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\nThis is true to this day. Without working, men cannot get paid and therefore cannot pay for food and survive.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8502682","dateCreated":"1232561517","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"deepap","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/deepap","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8502682"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Alienated Labor","description":"\u201cConscious life activity distinguishes man from the life activity of animals.\u201d (Marx 193)
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\nThis quote summarizes many of Marx\u2019s ideas that he has about the working class. By saying this, he means that the worker is forced to be stuck in a robotic-type lifestyle, and the brainless work they do is not good for their individuality. Humans are different from animals because they have emotions, thoughts, and opinions, and the labor of the working class dehumanizes them.
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\nStarting with the industrial revolution, the condition of the worker worsened dramatically. Factories took over, creating dangerous work that the middle class had no choice but to participate in because there was no longer a market for crafts and agriculture, which they had been previously participating in. This led to wide unhappiness and revolts, such as the June Days. I also can relate to the workers\u2019 situation because sometimes when so much busy work is piled on top of me, I go into a sort of auto-pilot mode where I have to put my personality on the back burner so I can just get the task done.
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\nAlthough Marx laid the foundation for communism, his socialistic intentions were good ones. He was morally right to align himself with the proletariat, because their conditions at the time were truly awful.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8501502","dateCreated":"1232559560","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"bigaeaglesfan","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bigaeaglesfan","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1207147833\/bigaeaglesfan-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8501502"},"dateDigested":1531972017,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Alienated Labour Arash Kalayeh","description":"The quote "That the worker and capitalist both suffer, the worker suffers in his existence while the capitalist suffers in the profit on his dead mammon."(183)By this Marx means that even in times of suffering the worker will always suffer more because of his lack of capital, and that things can never get better for him, while the capitalist, sits on his butt and does nothing for society, and still in times of suffering loses a little but does not suffer. Instead he will take advantage of the worker. I would compare this to today economic crisis because the rich are not suffering as much as the working middle class, many people are suffering while they are profiting from peoples hardships and pain.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"8624648","body":"Just flawless","dateCreated":"1232976241","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"glabricciosa","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/glabricciosa","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"8624710","body":"Good connection to today's economy.","dateCreated":"1232976352","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"OmranF","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/OmranF","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"8501412","dateCreated":"1232559416","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"teresarodriguez713","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/teresarodriguez713","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223434687\/teresarodriguez713-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8501412"},"dateDigested":1531972018,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Alienated Labour Response","description":""For labour, life activity, productive life, now appear to man only as means for satisfaction of a need, the need to maintain his physical existence...Life itself appears only as a means of life." (Marx 193) This quote really explains the whole source of the state of consciousness referred to as, "alienated labour". The conscious state of the worker has lost any sense of purpose or moral meaning, and instead all of life is forced to be spent attaining and mantaining physical life, all the while not really experiencing life. The worker does not get oppurtunity to see everything as a whole and comprehend himself as a cooperative member of the human race. Therefore, everything becomes very individual, alienated, and hostile in his mental world. He becomes an unwilling machine to the wealthy.
\nThis occurence of alienated labor in the worker is something that is a very true experience among many people who's lives seem to be ruled by work and just trying to get by, while they don't really get to do what they truly want to do. This condition makes so many people everywhere, present and past, feel incomplete. If this takes place in middle class workers in America, one can just imagine the larger effect it has on people like factory workers in foreign countries, who sometimes get payed less than a penny a day. They have been alienated from their purpose because they have been robbed of their lives for the production of goods for the rich.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8492004","dateCreated":"1232544836","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"bross2011","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bross2011","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8492004"},"dateDigested":1531972018,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Alienated Labor","description":"
\n"The lowest and the only necessary rate of wages is that which provides for the subsistence of the worker during work and for a supplement adequate to raise a family so that the race of workers does not die out." (Marx 181) This quote shapes the essay because it takes a very strong point of view. It states his opinion on labor and how it is maintained. I disagree with this viewpoint because, to me, it is necessary to receive a wage decent enough to not only adequately provide for a family, but to receive money for savings and entertainment.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"8491974","dateCreated":"1232544777","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"mberkowitz18","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mberkowitz18","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285593951\/mberkowitz18-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8491974"},"dateDigested":1531972018,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Marxy boo","description":"
\n"The worker does not necessarily gain when the capitalist gains, but he necessarily loses with him."
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\nThis quote symbolizes the greed and unfairness of the capitalist companies. When the company is prospering, the company gains and the people, for the most part, stay the same. But when the capitalist is not doing well and loses money, he takes the worker down with him. YOu see similar circumstances in our capitalist society today. For example, when the stock market recently plummeted, it took all the share holders with it. They lost tons of money and their investments were for naught. But when the stocks go back up, the company benefits much ore than the holders. The share holders only get their money to balance.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"8524090","body":"I think you described your quote well. I also liked your application of the reading to a current event.","dateCreated":"1232592740","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"sureshrav","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/sureshrav","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"8625002","body":"I think you picked a quote that well described Marx's opinion. I liked how you compared it to the current day crisis of the stock market.","dateCreated":"1232976770","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"juliadal","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/juliadal","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"8491938","dateCreated":"1232544677","smartDate":"Jan 21, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jschwartz1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jschwartz1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/8491938"},"dateDigested":1531972018,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"alienated labor","description":"In Karl Marx, Alienated Labor, he discusses how people are detached from their families and work to support them. In general all they do is work. "The worker puts his life into the object, and his life belongs no longer to himself, but to the object." (Marx 188) Marx stated that the worker belongs to the object and no longer himself which means that he no longer does things for himself or his own needs he works for the object.
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\nThroughout the work he repeats that people continually give things up to create a better life for themselves. When they give up their families for their work he contradicts himself because they aren't getting a better life.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"8624616","body":"Quote is extremely well thought up and embedded correctly :) Flawless analysis. Way to go yo.","dateCreated":"1232976115","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"MalikE","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MalikE","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1203008101\/MalikE-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"8624712","body":"Malik is right yo. This quote is extremely well thought up and embedded correctly :) Flawless analysis. Way to go yo","dateCreated":"1232976353","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Jaimbay337","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jaimbay337","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/Jaimbay337-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}