{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11412433","dateCreated":"1240539775","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"117420","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/117420","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1234552690\/117420-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11412433"},"dateDigested":1531971954,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Secret Life of Bees Blog One","description":"Altieri's literary canon requirement "a forceful and complex presentation of moral categories" implicates that the said work houses moral truths that shine through the writing with an intensely apparent and effective point to it all, supported by recurring symbols and themes that are subtly and yet at the same time obviously intertwined and interconnected to each other. This is exhibited to the highest caliber within The Secret Life of Bees. Sue Monk Kidd crafts a very complex presentation of philosophies and values, pertaining to a wide spectrum of complicated subjects that are handled with ease and slowly brought to light to the reader as the author's perspective of all these things is clearly portrayed through the characters and events that play out a sort of drama that is meant to share a general lesson. Although on the surface the story is a simple one about a runaway named Lily who stays in a house with three beekeepers, the actual content delves into subjects that reach out and pull the entire world and life into the limited area of the framework plot. Every day that Lily spends at the home of the Boatwrights brings new discoveries and concepts that are to change her and remain with her along her journey. This is again on the surface individual, but it speaks to all of us in ways that manage to strike a strong chord with our moral selves.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"11389255","dateCreated":"1240504592","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Macook","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Macook","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11389255"},"dateDigested":1531971954,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Secret life of bees","description":"Sue Monk Kidd presents his wisdom through a story of a child. A girl named Lily. This wisdom is presented remarkably a story shown through hardship and loss. This book should be put in the literary cannon because the way Sue Monk Kidd presents the story as a real life. Sue Monk Kidd makes the reader feel the way Lily feels, this feeling shows complete and utter control the author has over he reader. This makes the reader feel more "into" the book. The secret life of Bees should definitely be in the literary cannon.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11390073","body":"Just saying that maybe you should take more time and think about your entry, like not 10 min. before the class. Over all it was good, short, revise your spelling and grammar, and Sue Monk Kidd is a woman.","dateCreated":"1240505256","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"akrafchik","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/akrafchik","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11388245","dateCreated":"1240503118","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"maryamlrb723","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/maryamlrb723","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1232562482\/maryamlrb723-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11388245"},"dateDigested":1531971954,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Blog #1","description":"A \u201cforceful and complex presentation of moral categories\u201d must depict a number of different perspectives within the characters themselves. Found within the Secret Life of Bees, Sue Kidd portrays a number of different morals and ethics from character to character. For instance, in the case of T. Ray, he had no sympathy towards Lily, and punished her numerous times without so much hesitation as the bat of his eye. However, Rosaleen, a black woman was as close as Lily ever got to having a mother, and many times she was there to help Lily through whatever pain she was going through. Another instance where morals were shown in a n ironic fashion was when Lily overheard August and June talking. "This was a great revelation - not that I was white, but it seemed like June might not want me here because of my sin color. I hadn't known this was possible - to reject people for being white" (Kidd 87). Despite blacks clearly being treated differently during that time period, Lily was so upset with the prospect of being treated differently when even Rosaleen the person she was closest to had gone through struggles because of her color that Lily herself had witnessed. By presenting morals that can contradict each other, it is very interesting to see how human nature can really contradict itself at times.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11390107","body":"This is a very thorough and entertaining analysis of the novel. The wording of your post is well done. I also have to completely agree on your ideas and the analysis overall. Good Job.","dateCreated":"1240505280","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"djconnell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/djconnell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1203007020\/djconnell-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"11390237","body":"Very interesting Ms. Elarbi. I like the fact that you included a lot of examples of characters to support your ideas. Just a little tip to organize your ideas clearer :)","dateCreated":"1240505364","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"rsmith111","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/rsmith111","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1254327935\/rsmith111-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11381379","dateCreated":"1240494699","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"tstewart23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/tstewart23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223053542\/tstewart23-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11381379"},"dateDigested":1531971954,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Secret Life of Bees blog 1","description":"The way that Sue Monk Kid presents her book, The secret life of bees, is done very well. Her moral concepts are grasping, especially when it comes to the death and surrounding events of Lily's mother. She also varies her words well. She picks words that have intense meanings to intensify things. She doesnt really use weak intensifiers like very, and a lot. The plot of the book is woven very tightly together which is a great thing as far as complex presentation goes.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11390277","body":"This is very good, I just used a weak intensifier! You use good descriptive and explanatory words to explain your point, I liked it !","dateCreated":"1240505402","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"akrafchik","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/akrafchik","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11379007","dateCreated":"1240492290","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"zakLRB","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/zakLRB","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/zakLRB-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11379007"},"dateDigested":1531971955,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"SLoB: Blog One ","description":"Charles Altieri states as one of his tennants for 'literary canon' is a forceful and complex presentation of moral categories. The book we are currently reading, the Secret Life of Bees, exemplifies this. The characters in the book all exemplify their own 'moral category.' Lily is michevious, and tends to tell lies so that she is able to survive in her own mind. For example, when she first met the people at the Boatwright house, she lies about her story and tells them that her mom and dad died, and they have nowhere to go. Meanwhile, Rosaleen has a totally different perspective. In the same scene, she was about to tell them the truth about their real true story. But, Lily goes ahead and lies, which Rosaleen frowns upon. She believes in telling the truth, a moral which has helped and hurt her at times. Other characters also exemplify different morals. The book, The Secret Life of Bees, exemplifies Altieri's arguement for the 'literary canon.'","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11389907","body":"This is all true, moral categories within Lily haunt her later on and she eventually wants to tell August the truth about her an Rosaleen's departure. By creating this moral sense for Lily emphasizes the push of a literary canon for SLoB.","dateCreated":"1240505144","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"cmartinez7","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cmartinez7","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1203031828\/cmartinez7-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11376649","dateCreated":"1240487212","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jryan3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jryan3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1203006571\/jryan3-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11376649"},"dateDigested":1531971955,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Secret life: blog one","description":" Altieri claims that for a work to be a literary cannon it must have a forceful and complex presentation of moral categories. The secret life has a wide variety of moral categories most of which correspond with religion. For example, our lady in chains represents how they feel about racism in connection with religion. The statue kept on escaping just as the bodage of slaves was broken. I believe because of the many moral categories listed in the book it is perfect for being a literary cannon.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11377131","body":"I think you worded your blog very well and I agree that one of the main morals corresponded with religion. The moral lessons taught throughout the book would make it a perfect candidate for the literary cannon.","dateCreated":"1240488699","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"jschwartz1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jschwartz1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"11390535","body":"I agree with your choice that religion is one of the major morals in the novel. The morals of religion is taught throughout the novel, and teaches the reader that religion is important to society and diversity.","dateCreated":"1240505590","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Kishanp","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Kishanp","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11376339","dateCreated":"1240485513","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ali_s","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ali_s","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11376339"},"dateDigested":1531971955,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Presentation","description":"
\nOne of Altieri's claims is that a work must have a "forceful and complex presentation of moral categories." What does this mean? Does Secret Life of Bees contain this quality? What examples could you point to from the text for support.
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\nAccording to Altieri, a book must meet certain criteria in order to qualify as a "literary canon." One of these requirements includes a "forceful and complex presentation of moral categories," which refers to the author's ability to incorporate symbols and appropriate dialogue to express moral beliefs and lessons. In addition, the book should maintain a clear, captivating, and well-thought plot throughout the entire text as well as display an original perspective or style of writing. Secret Life of Bees certainly contains this quality. Sue Monk Kidd provides an abundance of symbols, some more significant than others, to express certain themes or moral categories, which also strengthens her perspective and style of writing. The most prominent symbol is bees, which represent family, love, and teamwork, all themes that drive the "Calendar sisters," June, May, and August, and soon are incorporated into the lives of Rosaleen and Lily as well. Another symbol present in the work is the peach orchard. This provides several meanings. It is an escape and protection to Lily from her father and the world in general, including the dangers of racial tension. It is a safe haven for her to hide in and "be with her mother." Furthermore, it represents the growth and development of Lily from a young, naive girl into a mature and blossoming woman. Lastly, one of the most powerful and influential symbols used was the wooden black Mary. For the Calendar sisters, Daughters (and Son) of Mary, Rosaleen, and Lily, the statue symbolizes strength and power to overcome the prejudices and discrimination of the time that both colors were experiencing (Lily being the only white person in the house) and general pain and struggles.
\nThe theme of black versus white provided a significant moral category; it was the central one of the work. This theme can be seen throughout the text, especially in chapter six when Lily becomes aware and conscious of being white in a house of black women. In fact, she experiences the hurt of being singled out based on skin color from June, who acts stingy and distant from her. Lily learns the tension created by skin color in many other places, including when Rosaleen is beat by the white men, the passing of the right for black people to vote, and her "forbidden" feelings towards Zachary Thomas. In the end, this theme represents the chief moral category of the book and the struggle to overcome such an obstacle, not only for blacks, but for white people (like Lily) as well.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11376949","body":"I agree with you. I also think those were the important symbols. I think her mothers gloves were another important symbol, and how later she talks about how the gloves begin to get tighter around her hands and she thinks she will soon break the seams.","dateCreated":"1240488186","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"juliadal","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/juliadal","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11375659","dateCreated":"1240480673","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"coreycohen","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/coreycohen","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1306936999\/coreycohen-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11375659"},"dateDigested":1531971956,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Blog Corey Cohen","description":"Charles Altieri believed that in order for a novel to be thrust into the literary cannon, there were three requirements. The requirements are a forceful and complex presentation, semantic scope and intensity, and technical innovation. It is under debate whether he meant that all of them need to be present or just one of them. I personally believe that because there are so many books out there, a novel should need all three of those qualities to be placed in the literary cannon. Secret life of bees does have a nice presentation. Presentation includes things like plot, symbolism, themes, and even the cover. I personally believe that Secret Life of Bees has a pretty good presentation, but all-around, it does lack some style and other things. This is why I do not think Secret Life of Bees should be allowed into the literary cannon.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11390319","body":"Check your spelling of Canon. What are some specific examples of the moral categories? What are the other things it lacks other than style? If you argue that the presentation is adequate, can you prove that the other two aspects mentioned in the quote are not there? If so, why did you comment on this blog? Your denial of Secret Life of Bees is contradictory to the topic of the blog. Also, the forceful and complex presentation is of moral categories, not just of the book in general. What are some of the moral categories explored in the book? What are some of the symbols, themes, and what about the cover displays force and complexity? I do not entirely understand your argument.","dateCreated":"1240505433","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"aagrawal2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aagrawal2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11372955","dateCreated":"1240457986","smartDate":"Apr 22, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"sureshrav","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/sureshrav","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11372955"},"dateDigested":1531971956,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Blog 1 Suresh","description":"According to Charles Altieri a piece of literature belonging to the Literary Canon must have a forceful and complex presentation of moral categories. These categories can include things like character growth, changing mindsets, intricate plotlines, and even reoccurring symbols. This essentially means that the work should contain a plot with examples of character development and stimulation. In The Secret Life of Bees, Sue Monk Kidd is successfully able to portray many characters that are noted openly for their unique values. Kidd demonstrates these values through descriptions, or even stories. The moral categories mentioned by Altieri can be seen in the novel. Kidd\u2019s novel excellently displays an example of this moral category. It is in reference to August refusing to marry a man. Kidd makes a complex plotline brutally evident in \u201cShe smiled at me. I loved him enough, she said. I just loved my freedom more\u201d (Kidd 146.) In this excerpt it is evident that August, as a black woman, held of her own emotions to maintain her free status. This act is clearly shown as a means of character growth for august, and also for the means of a symbol. Perhaps August\u2019s decision not to marry will be a reflection of how Lily chooses to live her life. Regardless this is known, that Kidd uses several phrases like this to display intricate and advanced plotlines or symbols. It is through this reasoning that the book should be entered into the Literary Canon.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11389933","body":"I like the way that you took apart the question, and also the way you answered it. The quote was embedded well in your blog post, and you made it apply.","dateCreated":"1240505155","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"zakLRB","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/zakLRB","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1202793136\/zakLRB-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"11390391","body":"Suresh you are right, if this was a book that was going to enter the literary cannon, the book must have a meaning and some sort of information that could help people in their lives. The book shows how important one person's action can influence someone else. The book must have some wisdom to it. The book should show how the character has grown and how they have chosen to live their life.
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\nyour blog was great Suresh :).","dateCreated":"1240505491","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Macook","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Macook","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"11372215","dateCreated":"1240455070","smartDate":"Apr 22, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"SophiaL","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SophiaL","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1209083940\/SophiaL-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ebersoleenglish.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/11372215"},"dateDigested":1531971956,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Sophia Blog One ","description":"Charles Altieri argues that in order to achieve in the high literary canon, works must contain a "forceful and complex presentation of moral categories." In other words, the ideal works of Literary Canon must have symbols, heartfelt plot, and interesting character developments. In The Secret Life of Bees, Kidd carefully embeds this quality into her work. Lily as the main character, is a compelling person, we can see her character development through a moral perspective. Lily deeply thinks that she had killed her mother, subsequently, she is living with her dad and mistreated miserably by her dad T.Ray. Day after day, when she finally had enough, she decides to find her mother's footprint in Tiburon. Which really develops her character. "In a matter of seconds I knew exactly what I had to do-leave." (Kidd 41) She develops into a hard decision of leaving her father behind or forgetting her mother, which is a complex presentatio of morallity. In conclusion, Kidd's literary work The Secret Life of Bees contain the quality of the Literary Canon.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"11376909","body":"I agree that Lily does develop through a moral perspective with the whole situation with her dad, which makes this book a possible choice for the literary canon.","dateCreated":"1240488090","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"erickoza627","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/erickoza627","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"11393379","body":"I agree with your view that moral values can be found in Lily's search for a mother, a major theme that drives the entire plot.","dateCreated":"1240508728","smartDate":"Apr 23, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"117420","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/117420","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1234552690\/117420-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}